The two wine prohibitions and how far each reaches: the איסור הנאה and the leniency the Rama reports, what counts as wine, the threshold of המשכה, the by-products of the vat, treading and the force of a non-Jew
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| The distinction | What forbids it | How far it reaches |
|---|---|---|
| יין נסך — wine poured as a libation | Forbidden by the Torah, as idolatry | Drinking and benefit, with no dispute |
| סתם יינם — their ordinary wine | A decree of the Sages, on two grounds | Drinking always; benefit according to the Mehaber, disputed in the Rama |
| The two grounds of the decree | Fear of wine that served as a libation, and the גזרת בנותיהן | summary — a rabbinic prohibition, because of wine poured to idolatry which is forbidden by Torah law, and also because of the גזרת בנותיהן (ש״ך יו״ד קכ״ג ס״ק א) |
| Our wine that they touched | The same status as their wine | « וה״ה למגעם ביין שלנו » (שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:א) |
On that same seif 1 the Rama reports that in his day libation to idols was no longer common, and he draws two consequences: « י״א דמגע עובד כוכבים ביין שלנו אינו אסור בהנאה רק בשתייה », and likewise « וכן סתם יין שלהם אינו אסור ליהנות ממנו » (רמ״א יו״ד קכ״ג:א).
But read what follows carefully: the leniency bears on benefit, never on drinking, and it is calibrated to loss. The Rama permits collecting a debt from a non-Jew by taking his wine, « מפני דהוי כמציל מידם », and extends this to other cases of loss — one who transgressed and bought, or sold. Buying or selling לכתחלה in order to profit remains forbidden; some are lenient even there, and the Rama concludes: « ויש מקילין גם בזה וטוב להחמיר » (רמ״א יו״ד קכ״ג:א).
Basis: seifim 1 and 2 of the Mehaber with the Rama's gloss, and seif 24, which draws the widest consequence from them. This table answers a single question: what may be done with this wine, if not drink it?
| The case | Drinking | Benefit (הנאה) | Source |
|---|---|---|---|
| Their ordinary wine — סתם יינם, according to the Mehaber | Forbidden | Forbidden | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:א |
| Our wine touched by a non-Jew, according to the Mehaber | Forbidden | Forbidden — « וה״ה למגעם ביין שלנו » | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:א |
| Those same two cases, according to the view the Rama reports for our time | Forbidden | Permitted | רמ״א יו״ד קכ״ג:א |
| Collecting a debt from a non-Jew by taking his wine | Forbidden | Permitted — it is like rescuing one's own from their hand | רמ״א יו״ד קכ״ג:א |
| He transgressed and bought it, or sold it — so there is loss | Forbidden | Permitted, as in any other loss | רמ״א יו״ד קכ״ג:א |
| Buying or selling it לכתחלה in order to profit | Forbidden | Forbidden — some are lenient, « וטוב להחמיר » | רמ״א יו״ד קכ״ג:א ; see siman 132 |
| Making a bath of their wine for a sick person not in mortal danger | — | Forbidden — « אסור לעשות מרחץ מסתם יינם לחולה שאין בו סכנה » | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:ב ; see the end of siman 155 |
| Brandy distilled from their wine | Forbidden | Forbidden like the wine itself, though it is only its vapour | שו״ע ורמ״א יו״ד קכ״ג:כ״ד |
Basis: seifim 3 to 8. This is the practical heart of the siman, and the question always takes the same form: does the non-Jew's touch still meet wine?
| The liquid | Does the touch forbid it? | The reason, or the qualification | Source |
|---|---|---|---|
| Cooked wine of ours — יין מבושל | No — « יין מבושל שלנו שנגע בו העובד כוכבים מותר » | And from when is it called cooked? « ומאימתי נקרא מבושל משהרתיח על גבי האש » — the Shach specifies that its measure must diminish through the boiling, as the Rashba and the Ran wrote (ש״ך יו״ד קכ״ג ס״ק ז) | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:ג |
| Wine with honey and pepper whose taste has changed | No — « אם נשתנה טעמו מחמתם אינו נאסר במגע עובד כוכבים » | The Rama adds that honey alone or pepper alone is the same; the Shach extends it to anything that changes the taste of the wine (ש״ך יו״ד קכ״ג ס״ק ח) | שו״ע ורמ״א יו״ד קכ״ג:ד |
| A cooked dish containing wine | No, even before it boiled — « תבשיל שיש בו יין ונגע בו העובד כוכבים אפי׳ קודם שהרתיח אין בו משום יין נסך » | But the Rama draws a line: « ודוקא תבשיל שאין היין ניכר בו בעין » — in fat or mustard where the wine visibly floats on top, the prohibition does apply | שו״ע ורמ״א יו״ד קכ״ג:ה |
| Congealed wine — יין שנקרש | No — « ויין שנקרש אין בו משום מגע עובד כוכבים » | And all the more so if he touched a shard soaked with wine. The Shach hesitates to rely on this once it has melted again (ש״ך יו״ד קכ״ג ס״ק י״ב) | רמ״א יו״ד קכ״ג:ה |
| Vinegar that bubbles when thrown on the ground | No — « חומץ שמבעבע כשמשליכין אותו על הארץ אינו נאסר במגע עובד כוכבים » | The bubbling is the test, and the Shach explains why: summary — as long as it does not bubble we are not expert enough to say whether it is vinegar or not (ש״ך יו״ד קכ״ג ס״ק י״ג) | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:ו |
| A barrel found soured to the point of bubbling | No, retroactively | « ותוך שלשה ימים למפרע נגע בו העובד כוכבים אין לחוש למגעו » — three days earlier it was already full vinegar | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:ז |
| Unripe grape juice — מי הבוסר | Yes — « מי הבוסר נאסרים במגע עובד כוכבים » | Because we are not expert enough to say from when it is called בוסר (ש״ך יו״ד קכ״ג ס״ק ט״ו ; ט״ז יו״ד קכ״ג ס״ק ה) | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:ח |
| Wine diluted with water — יין מזוג | Yes, as long as it keeps a taste of wine | « יין מזוג כל זמן שיש בו טעם יין אסור » ; some permit at six parts water, as explained in siman 134 | רמ״א יו״ד קכ״ג:ח |
Basis: seifim 17 to 20, the most technical in the siman. As long as the trodden grapes have not crossed this threshold there is nothing to forbid — and once crossed, everything in the vat follows.
| The act | Is there המשכה? | The consequence | Source |
|---|---|---|---|
| The wine flows of itself down the slope of the vat, cleared of the skins | Yes — « מאימתי נקרא יין ליאסר במגע עובד כוכבי׳ משהתחיל לימשך » | The whole vat becomes forbidden, « ונאסר כל מה שבגת אפי׳ לא נגע אלא בחרצנים ובזגים אם יש בהם טופח על מנת להטפיח » | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:י״ז |
| The wine has not been separated from the skins down to the floor of the vat | No | No המשכה, so no status of wine yet; the Shach notes that clearing only the top is not enough (ש״ך יו״ד קכ״ג ס״ק ל״ג) | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:י״ז |
| He fills a cup from the vat, meaning to take it clear of the skins | Yes | The intention to separate is itself enough to make a המשכה | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:י״ח |
| He sets a basket into the vat or into a trodden tub | Yes — « וכן אם נתן סל לתוך הגת או גיגית דרוכה נקרא המשכה » | The clear wine enters the basket and separates there from the skins | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:י״ח |
| He takes the skins together with the wine | No — « אבל אם לקח החרצנים עם היין לא הוי המשכה » | And even if a non-Jew took them together, the remainder may be put back | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:י״ח |
| A tub of trodden grapes standing in a non-Jew's house | A presumption against it | « גיגית מלאה ענבים דרוכים עומדת בבית העובד כוכבים יש לאסור שמא המשיך ממנה » | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:י״ט |
| A sealed and full vat, from which wine and skins descend together into a basket | Not in the vat | « אין על מה שבגת תורת יין אלא על מה שבסל בלבד » — only the basket has the status of wine; if he touches it, the basket is forbidden | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:כ׳ |
| That forbidden basket is poured back into the vat | The vat falls | Through mixture — unless the skins and stalks hold sixty against the wine that fell in from the basket | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:כ׳ ; ש״ך יו״ד קכ״ג ס״ק מ״א |
Basis: seifim 9 to 16. Once the wine is made, the vat still holds skins and pips (חרצנים), stalks (זגים) and lees (שמרים) — and by putting water back on them one draws a weak wine (תמד). The siman devotes eight seifim to them, and the shared principle is simple: these residues are worth whatever wine still clings to them.
| The residue | Its status | The deciding condition | Source |
|---|---|---|---|
| Water put on our skins trodden by foot, without wheel and beam | Forbidden on the first and second round | And that even if he did not recover the measure he poured in | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:ט |
| The same skins, but pressed with the wheel | No yayin nesekh | Unless he poured three measures of water and recovered four | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:ט |
| Any תמד that is good to drink | One view forbids it in any event | « ויש מי שאומר שאין להתיר מגע עובד כוכבים בשום תמד » — « כל שהוא משובח לשתייה משום דמחליף ביין גמור » | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:ט |
| Taking the skins and stalks out of the vats | To be avoided through them | « יש להזהר מלהוציא החרצנים והזגים מהגתות על ידי עובדי כוכבים או כנענים » — and that even after the first and second wine | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:י |
| Our lees, made into תמד, from which he recovered only the measure | First round forbidden if he touched them; second round permitted | The Taz notes that this distinction does not sit well with the view reported in seif 9 (ט״ז יו״ד קכ״ג ס״ק ז) | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:י״א |
| Their lees | Always forbidden | « אבל שמרים של עובדי כוכבים לעולם אסורים אפילו לא מצא אלא כדי מדתן » | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:י״א |
| A barrel emptied of its lees and rinsed with water | No further concern for any touch | Because the wine is nullified in the rinsing water | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:י״ב |
| Shards soaked with their wine, which give it back to water | Forbidden for benefit | « חרסים שבלעו יין של עובד כוכבים הרבה עד שכששורין אותם במים פולטים יינם אסורים בהנאה » — the Shach infers that one may not even prop a bed leg with them (ש״ך יו״ד קכ״ג ס״ק כ״ה) | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:י״ג |
| Their skins, stalks and lees | Forbidden for benefit for twelve months | « תוך י״ב חדש אסורים בהנאה ולאחר י״ב חדש מותרים אפילו באכילה » — but only if he first made תמד of them with water; otherwise forbidden for ever, even dried in an oven | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:י״ד |
| Skins skimmed off the vat before the המשכה | Never forbidden | The Rama derives this from the threshold of seif 17; likewise for those who tread grapes in a barrel, even though the wine floats above them | רמ״א יו״ד קכ״ג:י״ד |
| Dough leavened with their lees during those twelve months | The whole dough is forbidden for benefit | « המחמיץ בשמרי יין של עובדי כוכבים תוך זמן איסורם כל העיסה אסורה בהנאה » — the Shach: even in a thousand it is not nullified, since it was put in for its taste (ש״ך יו״ד קכ״ג ס״ק כ״ח) | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:ט״ו |
| The wine residue hardened on the walls of casks | The custom permits, without scraping | « שכיון שנתייבש כל כך כבר כלה כל לחלוחית יין שבו וכעפר בעלמא הוא » — the Taz still wants a thorough washing and scraping לכתחלה (ט״ז יו״ד קכ״ג ס״ק ט) | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:ט״ז |
Basis: seifim 21 and 22, where the siman leaves substance behind for the act. Three different acts produce three different results, and here the drinking / benefit distinction becomes operative.
Seif 21 lays down the rule: « אין דורכין עם העובד כוכבים בגת… שמא יגע בידים וינסך ואפילו היה כפות » (שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:כ״א). Even bound, one does not tread with him.
The Rama then marks out the scope with a precision not to be missed: the rule aims at a tub or vat from which the wine is customarily drawn, and there we decree the state before המשכה on account of the state after it; but in a trough from which one does not customarily draw, « אבל בעריבה שאין דרך למשוך משם מותר לדרוך עמו », and it is likewise permitted to buy from him grapes trodden in a trough.
The Taz does not leave it there: summary — I heard from many sages and pious men who decreed not to take from a non-Jew any trodden grapes in any vessel whatsoever, and so they ruled in practice; and it is right to conduct oneself so wherever possible (ט״ז יו״ד קכ״ג ס״ק ט״ז).
| Seif | The case | The ruling |
|---|---|---|
| 23 | A barrel of yayin nesekh set among kosher barrels | « אם חבית של יין נסך מונחת עם חביות כשירות צריך לעשות לה היכר » — a distinguishing mark must be made for it, so that it is not confused |
| 24 | Brandy distilled from their wine — אגוא״ה ארדיינט״י | Forbidden for benefit like the wine itself. The Rama explains the word: « יין שרוף שעושין מיין נסך אע״פ שאינו רק זיעה מן הנסך הרי הוא כאיסור עצמו », following the Rivash |
| 25 | Coated coriander seeds bought from a non-Jew | « מותר ליקח מהעובד כוכבים קוליינדר״י קונפיט״י אע״פ שנותנין הקוליינדר״י בחומץ » — because it is a taste that spoils; see the end of siman 134 |
| 26 | The honey of the Ishmaelites | Forbidden — the Shach explains that it is wine boiled down until it thickens into a kind of honey, and concludes that although there is a ground to permit, in practice he forbids it (ש״ך יו״ד קכ״ג ס״ק מ״ט־נ׳) |
The very word the siman turns on carries its three questions, in the order they must be asked.
י — יֵשׁ כָּאן יַיִן? Is there wine here? Cooked, soured, congealed, changed in taste, sunk into a dish: is the substance still wine? (seifim 3 to 8, 16)
י — יַד מִי נָגְעָה? Whose hand touched it, and how? Hand, force, foot — and the threshold of המשכה decides whether there was anything to touch at all. (seifim 17 to 22)
ן — נִשְׁאַר מַה? What is left permitted? The answer always comes in two stages: drinking first, then benefit. (seifim 1-2, 13 to 15, 24)
| The question | The siman's answer | Seif |
|---|---|---|
| A non-Jew carried the open wine bottle to the table. | The wine is forbidden to drink; as for benefit, the Mehaber forbids and the Rama reports the view that permits it today. The details of touching belong to siman 124. | 1 |
| The same act, but the wine was cooked. | Permitted — and the Shach adds that one may even drink it together with them. | 3 |
| A wine sauce that a non-Jew stirred. | Permitted, even before it boiled, as long as the wine is not visible in substance; if it floats, the prohibition applies. | 5 |
| A non-Jewish debtor who can pay only in wine. | The Rama permits taking it in payment: it is like rescuing one's own from their hand. | 1 |
| A sick person not in mortal danger, whom one wishes to bathe in wine. | Forbidden — seif 2 says so expressly, and refers to the end of siman 155. | 2 |
| A non-Jewish worker offers to take the skins out of the vat. | To be avoided, even after the first and second wine. | 10 |
| Treading the harvest with a non-Jewish worker. | Forbidden in a vat or a tub; the Rama permits a trough, but the Taz reports sages who forbade it everywhere in practice. | 21 |
| A brandy distilled from their wine. | Forbidden for benefit like the wine itself: the vapour follows the prohibition it came from. | 24 |
| Seif | What it teaches |
|---|---|
| 1 | Their ordinary wine is forbidden for benefit, and so is their touch on ours; the Rama eases benefit for our time, permits collecting a debt and covers loss, but not deliberate trade. |
| 2 | One does not make a bath of their wine for a sick person who is not in danger. |
| 3 | Our cooked wine that they touched is permitted; it is called cooked once it has boiled on the fire. |
| 4 | Wine given honey and pepper, if its taste has changed on their account, escapes the touch. |
| 5 | A dish containing wine escapes the touch even before boiling; the Rama limits this to wine not visible in substance, and adds congealed wine. |
| 6 | Vinegar that bubbles when thrown on the ground is not affected by the touch. |
| 7 | A barrel found soured to that degree has nothing to fear from touches in the three preceding days. |
| 8 | Unripe grape juice remains affected; so does diluted wine, as long as it keeps its taste. |
| 9 | Water put on our foot-trodden skins is forbidden on the first two rounds; pressed with the wheel, the measure decides — and one view is lenient in no drinkable תמד at all. |
| 10 | Do not have them take the skins and stalks out of the vats, even after the second wine. |
| 11 | Our lees made into תמד: first round forbidden, second permitted; theirs are always forbidden. Raisin wine is wine. |
| 12 | A barrel emptied of its lees and rinsed fears no further touch: the wine is nullified in the water. |
| 13 | Shards soaked with their wine, which give it back to water, are forbidden for benefit. |
| 14 | Their skins, stalks and lees are forbidden for benefit for twelve months and then permitted — provided they were first made into תמד; the Rama excludes what was skimmed off before the המשכה. |
| 15 | Dough leavened with their lees during those twelve months is wholly forbidden for benefit. |
| 16 | The hardened residue on the walls of casks is treated as mere dust, and the custom does not scrape it. |
| 17 | Must becomes wine at the המשכה: when the clear wine separates from the skins and flows down to the floor of the vat. |
| 18 | A cup drawn with the intention of separating, or a basket set into the vat, makes a המשכה; taking the skins along with the wine does not. |
| 19 | A tub of trodden grapes in their house is forbidden, lest they have drawn wine from it. |
| 20 | In a sealed and full vat only the basket set before it has the status of wine; poured back into the vat it drags the vat with it, unless there is sixty against it. |
| 21 | One does not tread with them, even bound; whatever comes out by their force is forbidden; the Rama permits a trough, from which one does not customarily draw. |
| 22 | A non-Jew who trod without touching, under the eye of a Jew who gathered the wine, renders it forbidden to drink. |
| 23 | A forbidden barrel stored among kosher barrels must carry a distinguishing mark. |
| 24 | Brandy distilled from their wine is forbidden for benefit like the wine, though it is only its vapour. |
| 25 | Coated coriander seeds may be bought from them, despite the vinegar the seed is steeped in. |
| 26 | The honey of the Ishmaelites is forbidden; the Rama adds the responsum of the Rosh for one who drank their wine unwittingly. |
| Flash question | Answer | Source |
|---|---|---|
| Their ordinary wine, in one sentence? | Forbidden to drink, and for benefit according to the Mehaber | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:א |
| What does the Rama ease? | Benefit only, and on the ground of loss | רמ״א יו״ד קכ״ג:א |
| From when is wine “cooked”? | Once it has boiled on the fire — the Shach wants the measure reduced | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:ג ; ש״ך יו״ד קכ״ג ס״ק ז |
| The test for vinegar? | It bubbles when thrown on the ground | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:ו |
| The threshold of המשכה? | The clear wine separating from the skins, down to the floor of the vat | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:י״ז |
| How long are their residues forbidden? | Twelve months, if they were first made into תמד | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:י״ד |
| Trodden by him, untouched, under supervision? | Forbidden to drink — but to drink only | שו״ע יו״ד קכ״ג:כ״ב |
| Their brandy? | Like the wine it was drawn from | שו״ע ורמ״א יו״ד קכ״ג:כ״ד |
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